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Jeff Thompson:
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Jesse Anderson:
We’re not just looking at, okay, how can we get you through your classes that you’re currently in. We’re actually looking at more of a long-term goal.
Jeff Thompson:
Meet Jesse Anderson.
Jesse Anderson:
They use Windows PC’s typically in many office environments.
Jeff Thompson:
Assistive Technology Specialist from State Services for the Blind in Minnesota.
Jesse Anderson:
Mac is in a lot of the more artistic areas, so maybe audio, video production, maybe some web design. It’s good for people to learn that experience as well, to kind of know how to find ways to fix problems. If you are low vision, how would you do that? If you are blind, how would you do that? Well, I might take my phone and use it as a magnifier. Or if I am blind, I might take my phone or my laptop, and snap a picture of it and have it read aloud with my Bluetooth headphones.
Jeff Thompson:
Welcome to Blind Abilities. I am Jeff Thompson. Today we’re going to be talking about assistive technology. About the tools for success. The tools that will help you level the playing field in the job market, in employment, and in education. We’ll be talking about the services that your state agency can provide to you, and how your participation is vitally important towards your success. So be sure to check out your state agency, your voc rehab, your state’s services for the blind and see what they can do for you.
Jesse Anderson:
Have the technology skills and knowing those skills well I think is just a really good thing to do, no matter what you are going to be doing in your employment or education. If you are low vision, you may be a Zoom text user, but you know what? It might be a great idea to learn Windows Magnifier, because a. It’s free, b. It’s built into Windows.
Jeff Thompson:
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Jesse Anderson:
I am into a little bit of everything but I am definitely still a nerd.
Jeff Thompson:
Please welcome assistive technology specialist, Jessie Anderson. We hope you enjoy.
Jeff Thompson:
Welcome to Blind Abilities. I am Jeff Thompson and today I am at State Services for the Blind in St. Paul, Minnesota, and I’m talking to assistive technology specialist, Jessie Anderson. Jessie, how are you doing?
Jesse Anderson:
I’m doing pretty good. Thanks for having me on today.
Jeff Thompson:
Great. Jessie, I wanna thank you for taking the time out of your day to come on the Blind Abilities and share with our listeners the services that you provide here at State Services for the Blind as an assistive technology specialist.
Jesse Anderson:
Yeah, there are actually five assistive technology specialists at SSB and we all work out of the St. Paul office. How it works is we are assigned to specific counselors who cover specific areas of the state. For instance, I do cover the [inaudible] Cato area, and then you have all the other tech specialists covering the different other parts of the state. And the last couple years, my role has changed a little bit because I am starting to work a lot more with transition age students, and that’s a little bit more statewide. So I do a lot of metro, but I am traveling around the state a fair bit as well. So I will do assistive technology assessments. Meet with students in the schools or at SSB or wherever we need to. And there’s a lot of stuff going on with the transition program.
Jeff Thompson:
Well that’s a good age, 14 to 21. Students that are transitioning from high school to college where they really wanna hone in on some accessible technology to gain employment.
Jesse Anderson:
Yeah. During one of the … when I meet with a students, it could be anyone between eighth grade on up in school, and like I said, if they are in the area, sometimes they’ll meet here at SSB and if they are local, that is really helpful because we do have quite a few more types of devices in our technology lab or our resource center here. But I do go on the road a lot especially to greater Minnesota. So a lot of times, we’ll set up a meeting to meet in the student school during some time that they can meet either during study hall or something, like that. And when I meet with people, some of the things we look at … we’re not just looking at, okay, how can we get you through your classes that you are currently in? We’re actually looking at more of a long-term goal. So even if you’re eighth, ninth grade, we’re still going to kind of be looking at, well maybe you want a summer job. Maybe you want to work a little bit after school, or maybe you are participating in some transition related activities through SSB or other organization.
Jesse Anderson:
And then moving onto maybe what are you thinking after graduating high school? Are you going to go to college? You kind of maybe have an idea what type of degree. Maybe you wanna work with computers or people or animals. Maybe you don’t wanna go to college and maybe you just wanna look for work right away. So those are the kind of things that we look at and then what types of technology would kind of best work to meet those types of education or employment goals based on their vision.
Jeff Thompson:
Covers a wide spectrum of low vision to totally blind from whether it’s their braille, or if they are going to be using a lot of brail, to if they are using more audio. You do a full assessment of what would probably work best for those type of goals that they are seeking.
Jesse Anderson:
Absolutely. We work with people who are blind, who are low vision, who are deaf-blind, and I have met with people of all those groups. Blind, deaf-blind, and low-vision. And it could also be an accommodation thing. You may have a low-vision user who has some usability vision but honestly, it’s much more affective for them to primarily listen to audio and maybe they even know braille. So, instead of maybe you have a very, very limited field of view or very, very low-vision and so visual is just not practical. So we may still look at brail displays. We still may look at a lot of audio. Yeah, it could be anywhere from computer software to smartphones, tablets, braille displays, note takers, portable devices, CCTVs. Any kind of number of things.
Jesse Anderson:
And so when we get a referrals from the counselor and just kind of get an idea of the person’s vision and kind of what they are thinking of doing, then we can kind of help them identify what would work best for them.
Jeff Thompson:
And that’s great because people are coming in. They’re probably trying to set up an employment program. And so they are working with counselor and then you have a transition team, and your part of this is when it comes to technology. So what is an assessment? When someone does in come for that assessment, how long do you spend with them? And where do you start?
Jesse Anderson:
Well, when we do an assessment, usually I tell people that I kind of schedule things for, I would say, between an hour and a half to two hours. I usually block off a two hour block of time, and then even have a little bit of extra time after, if needed. Because I always let people know that if we go through things quickly and end early, or if we go a little bit longer, that’s totally fine. My main thing is, I don’t want to rush people through everything. We’re going to cover a lot of different topics. A lot of different types of technology during that assessment as it is, and so I wanna give people enough time to ask questions, try out some of the technology and not rush through everything. We’ll have the information from the counselor’s referral and I’ll just kind of ask some general questions. What is your vision? Is it stable? Because we also wanna look at, maybe your vision is like this, but oh, maybe it was a little bit better six months ago. And is it stable or is it expected to deteriorate over time?
Jesse Anderson:
And so we want to look at if that is the case, you may be able to use some large print now, but you may also kind of want to look at using more speech or gradually, especially if someone is not used to it, getting used to using more audio and maybe braille or something like that. Because as their vision changes, they’ll need to do that. We look at what their needs are. How they like to best process information. Are they a visual learner? Do they have to physically read it either visually or tactilely through braille? Or do they prefer audio? What’s most efficient? If we’re looking at employment, we’re looking at even things like, yes, okay, I might be able to read visually, but it’s not really that fast and if I was in a fast-paced work setting where I had to get my job done quickly, maybe I am talking with customers on the phone. I need to access client information at a customer service job, maybe print isn’t the fastest and you do have to look at audio because you also have to look at level of productivity that makes sense.
Jeff Thompson:
My experience out in the work force and businesses and corporations and all that, it seems like a lot of companies are PC based or they are Microsoft based through their databases. I see a higher percentage of people using JAWS or NVDA on their computers that are in the workforce. I mean, Apple is good with voiceover and your phone. A lot of people use that, and the Androids. But predominately in the workforce, I see Microsoft based computers.
Jesse Anderson:
Yeah. That’s actually what we see a lot too. It’s actually really interesting in education because in high schools and stuff right now, we have a pretty good mixture. I’ll meet with some students and some schools will use iPads a lot, especially for special education. You’ll see some schools that try to use Chromebooks which, they do have accessibility built into them. I don’t have a lot of experience with it. I really need to get my hands on a modern Chromebook to play with that a little bit more. But, a lot of people do find even though they do have accessibility built in, they find it a little bit more restrictive. So they would like to either use more of a PC or a Mac, but you have some schools, it’ll have PC. Some will use Mac. Some will use iPads. And it’s just a wide variety of things.
Jesse Anderson:
And then when you get To college, it’s kind of a free for all, because everybody has their own way to take notes or write reports. You can use your Mac. You can use your PC. But like you said, in the work world, and this is even if somebody is in high school and if they are like, “Oh, I wanna be a psychologist”, or, “I wanna work in an office”, or, “I wanna work in some type of setting like that”, I do let them know that, like you said, they use Windows PC’s typically in many office environments. The main place where I would see Mac is in a lot of the artistic areas. So maybe audio, video production. Maybe some web design. But that could go either way.
Jesse Anderson:
So I mean, we do recommend some Mac packages. Or if somebody is maybe you do have a technical position but maybe somebody is wanting to … they are a programmer and they need to develop for Mac or iOS. You have to pretty much have a Mac to do that. So there are cases where we do recommend, but yes. In a lot of business settings, I would say, I can probably count the number of actual office settings on one hand that would use a Mac, as it’s all been pretty much Windows.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. Well that’s the unique thing about what you do here at State Services for the Blind, is you develop programs for individual for their needs. What works best for them to succeed.
Jesse Anderson:
Correct.
Jeff Thompson:
So Jessie, say someone does acquire a piece of equipment and it’s working for them, but they wanna learn a little bit more about it. What do you suggest to them to do at that point?
Jesse Anderson:
Well, when we meet with people during the original assessment, we’ll kind of also look at what their computer skills are. Not just computer skills, but how well they use the computer. If they are using an iPhone or an iPad, Android device, or whatever technology that is that they need or are currently using, and we’ll let them know that we do have a couple of on-staff trainers that can work with them for some tasks and then we also have some certified contracted trainers that we work with throughout the state who can meet individually, one-on-one, with people for technology training. And that can happen at SSB. That can happen at the client’s home. That can happen at the job site. Like I said, in addition to assessments, we will also go … let’s say somebody gets a job offer, and the company says we’re using this software. Is this going to work with JAWS, Zoom Text or NVDA? Something like that.
Jesse Anderson:
And so we can work with the user and we can work with the business and we can set up a time to go to that business and get the demo of JAWS, or Zoom Text, let’s say, installed on those machines, and have somebody at the job who knows what that position requires, and then they’ll walk us through kind of what that person would be required to do, and then we can test how that assistive technology works with their software. Are there any problems? And if there are, what kind of things can we do to get around them or fix them? Yeah, there’s a lot involved. With training, or with assessing job sites. All kinds of different things.
Jeff Thompson:
So they are not alone.
Jesse Anderson:
No, no. And if somebody has … we got some equipment for them, or they have equipment already. Like I said, there is a training part of it, and then let’s say somebody gets … receives some technology with the assistance of SSB. We give them an assistive technology resource guide, and that’s kind of a long document that has all kinds of helpful information. It’ll have all of their device information. Their serial numbers of their devices. It’ll have some common tips for different things. A lot of times we have a few cheat sheets for some programs like using some of the built in accessibility features of Mac and Windows. And then there’s also in this resource guide, we also provide contact information for a lot of the common types of devices that we recommend. So be it a computer, a brail display, Zoom Text or JAWS. Something like that.
Jesse Anderson:
And we do encourage them. Yes, we are definitely there to help but we also do encourage them to contact … let’s say they have a computer program. Their computer just died, or they have a weird JAWS behavior problem or they have whatever issue. To also encourage them to learn how to contact some of the manufacturers and get some of their technical support too, because some of the really strange bugs, maybe some things that even we can’t quite figure out. Or maybe there’s a hardware issue, where they will have to kind of send it in. And so it’s good for people to learn that experience as well to kind of know how to find ways to fix problems.
Jeff Thompson:
Oh yeah. And that’s a life-long skill because all the way down to your job, career, whatever you are doing, you’re going to come across problems and develop advocating for assistance, help, maintenance, whatever it is, pays off in the long run. So, Jessie, you’ve talked about going to college but employment seems to be the big thing. For people who are looking for employment, what suggestions would you have for them in regards to technology and maybe an employer not understanding what AT, assistive technology, is?
Jesse Anderson:
There are a few things that I will kind of tell people are as we are discussing things during the assessment or as we we’re meeting in general. When we’re talking about transition, the common sort of issues is that, well, this assistive technology is cool, but I don’t really wanna look different. Like okay, I’ve got this CCTV or I’ve got this brail display and people are like what the heck is that? And we all know. I mean, I went through it. You went through it. Kids can be mean. When you’re in high school, junior high, high school, kids can do some really mean things. And so they are kind of worried about looking different or standing out. And we just try to encourage them to … if this makes your life a lot easier, like if you are really struggling to read that assignment, if you are really struggling to see the white board at the front of the room or to write that report or whatever it is for school, yeah, you might look a little bit different. But everybody uses technology in the room now. I mean, you’ve got people using their smartphones and tablets and laptops and things.
Jesse Anderson:
So you might have a few little bit different things, but if it’s going to make your life a lot easier and more efficient, speed up what you’re doing, and spend half an hour instead of three hours on an assignment, don’t worry about it. And when you get to college, not only will people not care, but that’s actually a really interesting conversation starter, because then people go, “Oh, dude, what’s that?” And then you can show them stuff. Then they also get more of a positive impression of, “Oh, okay. You are going to college. You are going to look for work.” Kind of gives them more of a positive impression on blindness or low-vision as well.
Jesse Anderson:
One of the other things that I would talk about is that when you are at that employment stage, I think it’s just really important to treat the job search as a full-time job in itself. You know, I mean, a lot of people might kind of expect, “Oh, well SSB is here and they are going to help, or they are going to find me a job. Oh, they are going to get a job for me.” No, we’re definitely here to help you, but you definitely have to do your part as well. I’m speaking from experience, I got my undergrad degree and after that, I was unemployed for three and a half years. But that wasn’t for lack of trying. I basically set aside anywhere between six, eight hours a day on weekdays, and sometimes weekends if I found a good job lead. And I would apply for jobs. I would look for jobs.
Jesse Anderson:
I had a whole jobs folder where I would have several types of templates for resumes and cover letters, where maybe I am applying for help desk jobs. Maybe I am applying for a web design job or a customer … Any type of job, so I could just quickly get those out there. And then I would even have Excel workbooks, because I was applying for so many jobs, it’s so hard to keep track. And so I would put, okay, I applied for this business, this position. I applied for it on that date. Did I get a response? Did I get an interview? What are the things [inaudible], because otherwise, I was not going to remember it. In that three and a half period, I got so many rejection letters, I jokingly would tell people that I could wallpaper my apartment with them. So it’s just you really do have to put in the work and treat the job search as pretty much a full-time job to really get good results. You really gotta put in, especially since we have to prove ourselves. Hey, we’re blind or vision impaired, or deaf-blind, but we can do things too.
Jesse Anderson:
The other thing that I would … I kind of recommend as far as technology goes that can be really helpful is, okay, so you get an interview, and I didn’t do this right away but what I found to be helpful as I started doing later on, was I would bring some … not everything, but I would bring a couple of commonly used items with me to that interview. It could be my laptop in a laptop bag. It could be my … now it would be my iPhone and you’ll be doing the interview, and by that time, they will probably know that you have a vision impairment and they may … employers will have concerns. “Oh can you do this part of the job?” Or, “How would you do this part of the job? Can you do it quickly enough?” And not only bringing the technology to the interview, but even having some documents on your laptop ready or some tasks in mind that you could do, so someone says, “Okay, we’re in a meeting and we need to hand out these memos that we want people to read and we’re going to discuss. Okay if you’re low-vision, how would you do that? If you’re blind, how would you do that?”
Jesse Anderson:
Well, I might take my phone and use it as a magnifier. Or if I am blind, I might take my phone or my laptop and snap a picture of it and have it read aloud with my Bluetooth headphones. How do I access the Internet? Well, let me bring up my phone or let me bring up my laptop and go to a website that you know, go to something fairly complex so that they can see that you are using the sites that everybody does. Go to Amazon. That’s a pretty complex. There’s a lot of information there. Pretty complex site. And just kind of showing them some of those things, offer to kind of show them so that way they think, “Oh, okay. Not only can you do it, but you can do it well.” And know your assistive technology. That’s the other thing. Know your assistive technology.
Jeff Thompson:
That’s a good point. Because sometimes you may get the equipment, but you don’t know how to use it and that takes a lot of time to get familiar with it so you can use it efficiently. And that’s a great point when you’re at a job interview because that person there, their internal monologue is wondering, can they do this? They’re not saying it, but their thought bubbles are, I don’t know if they can access a computer. So you’re actually breaking that ice and it’s showing them and just opening the door for the possibilities like, wow I didn’t know that. Because a lot of people don’t know what we can do with assistive technology.
Jesse Anderson:
Absolutely. And I would say that a lot of people really underestimate. That’s one thing that I see in education. That’s one thing that I see in employment. Just kind of everywhere. A lot of it isn’t the … as long as we’re doing everything that we can, we’re capable. But there’s a lot of low expectations or just people just don’t know that, oh … I’ve had people ask me, actually it was very recently. I was getting my, I think I was getting mail and somebody at my apartment complex was like, “Oh so do you work?” And I’m like, “Yeah.” “Oh, okay. That’s interesting.” I said, “Yeah. Not only do I work, I work full-time and I do this and I do that.” It’s just kind of even people that kind of see me around, they’re like, I didn’t know really what you could do. So yeah, we encounter that a lot. It’s just a lot of low expectations. But something like that can help a lot. It’s just being prepared.
Jeff Thompson:
That’s the great thing about state services for the blind, because when you’re in the predicament, maybe you just lost some eyesight or maybe you’ve been blind and you are looking towards transitioning to college to the work place, you can come here, get a counselor and you’ll meet up with someone like Jessie, an assistive technology specialist, to find the tools for success that’ll help you level the playing field basically. Put you on an even keel with everyone else. And like Jessie mentioned, employment. They have employment specialists as well that can help you look for jobs, teach you how to look for jobs, teach you some skills of resume building.
Jesse Anderson:
Mock interviews as well.
Jeff Thompson:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). There are so many services here that you can get at state services for the blind. Your state agency, your vocational rehab, wherever you are, check them out and Jessie what advice would you give to someone who is transitioning from college to high school to the workplace?
Jesse Anderson:
Really, it’s just kind of a matter of look at what you wanna do. I’ve had people come in and say, “Well, what are some blind jobs I could get?” And yeah, there are certain things. I’m not going to become an airline pilot or a driver or something like that, but if you wanna work on mechanics, if you want to work in an office, if you wanna do … work in education, there’s probably … especially with all of the services and all of the technology and different things, there’s probably a way to make it happen. So don’t pigeon hole yourself into necessarily like, oh, these are … I can do customer service, or I can do tuning pianos or I don’t know if that’s even a thing anymore, but you know? And like I said, knowing your technology. Learning those technology skills as early as possible I think is really helpful because not only just for employment but I mean, for independence, I mean, just being able to look things up on the Internet. I mean, Amazon Prime is wonderful and evil at the same time, because it’s so easy to buy things but I can research products and shop.
Jesse Anderson:
I can pay my bills. I can do all kinds of things with my phone or my computer. Whatever. So just having the technology skills and knowing those skills well, I think is just a really good thing to do no matter what you are going to be doing in employment or education.
Jeff Thompson:
Great. Jessie, on a daily basis, what tools do you utilize?
Jesse Anderson:
In my job, I use a lot of different tools myself, because I am indeed legally blind. I have some vision, but I am legally blind. So, I actually use a combination of magnification and speech. I find myself using Windows Magnifier actually, quite a bit. Especially in Windows 10. Windows 10 has Windows Magnifier built in. It also has some high contrast features that I’ve been … especially in the latest October update. They’ve really fixed some things and added some things so it’s worked better. But I’ll use Zoom Text from time to time. But honestly, I use a screen reader. I use speech a lot. I use NVDA a lot. I do still use JAWS sometimes. But NVDA and even System Access, I really like the way System Access works on the Internet. So NVDA, System Access, JAWS, those are things I use all the time. I also use my phone.
Jesse Anderson:
I have an iPhone and I use the built in magnifier to read short little documents or serial numbers. Things like that. I use other magnification apps. I will use things like Seeing AI, or Prismo, or KNFB Reader to OCR a document really quick. I use Voice Dream Reader and BookShare books, and BARD, and I mean just reading books for recreation or even part as my job, I wanna keep up on technology and things like that. So I read a lot of technology related books and information. So there’s all kinds of apps I use on my phone, but that’s probably one of my most used tools is my phone.
Jeff Thompson:
And in the world out there, especially in the job market and having more tools in your tool box, [inaudible] that’s a catchall phrase, but having different angles of attacking at certain solution problem is a screen doesn’t read to have a couple things that you could draw from is probably a good skill to have.
Jesse Anderson:
I’m really glad you brought that up because I totally forgot about that. That is absolutely what we recommend as well. So if you are low-vision, you may be a Zoom Text user but you know what? It might be a great idea to learn Windows Magnifier because a. It’s free, b. It’s built into Windows. It doesn’t cost anything, but you’re not always using your computer. Maybe you go to a library, a computer lab, a friend or family’s place and they don’t have Zoom Text installed. You can still have magnification if you are a speech user, you may be a JAWS user, but guess what? NVDA is free. It runs on a thumb drive. You can use that. You might be able to get by with using Windows Narrator and of course Apple has its voice over for a screen reader. You have Zoom built into the Mac and iOS both. Yes, knowing more than one screen … I regularly, professionally, I regularly switch between multiple tools. Like if one OCR app doesn’t work, I’ll use a different one. I might visit a website with JAWS and it doesn’t work, and so I use NVDA or NVDA doesn’t read something and JAWS does. So absolutely knowing more than one tool, especially nowadays with the way things move so quickly. Absolutely important.
Jesse Anderson:
It’s really interesting being an assistive technology specialist right now, because things move just so much faster. Back in the day we had, maybe you had Magic and Zoom Text or you had JAWS and WindowEyes and now you’ve got the Windows stuff. You’ve got Mac. You’ve got iOS. Android. And then that’s not even getting into people ask about smart appliances like Google Home and Alexa or the Amazon Echo. There’s so many different platforms and they all can have good uses for them, but there’s a lot to keep track of. Even we can’t keep up with it all. I mean, I try to. I am a nerd, and I’m into that kind of stuff, but I can’t even learn everything.
Jeff Thompson:
Especially, I’ll go on my wife’s PC and I’ll hit the VO keys. Well there are no VO keys on that, the PC laptop, so it’s kind of fun that … going back and forth, for me, I can do it but I have to think about it for a little bit and staying up to date with stuff. So I’ll use a Mac. I can use the PC. I can use a couple of other things and that’s an asset that I do. But, it does take a little bit of work to get my brain wrapped around it again.
Jesse Anderson:
Yeah. Definitely. I want to say, especially if you are totally blind or if you are a speech user, magnification, you can kinda figure things out because the interface might be a little bit different, but you can kind of, oh I can click around and stuff. But me being a long time PC user and just learning Mac a few years ago, I’m still not a great Mac user, I’ll admit it. But I know enough to kind of get around and do some damage. Yeah. The way that you would think of navigating a Windows screen reader is kind of a bit different with voice over and that took me a lot of time to kind of get used to. So people go, “Well I wanna use a Mac because I’ve heard it’s good for blind people.” Or, “I’m using a Mac and maybe I gotta learn [inaudible] a PC”, and some people might have the mistake and impression, oh, well they are both speech. You just learn a few commands and you go. Yeah. Some can take a little more time to transition because some of the way you navigate and stuff can be a bit different.
Jeff Thompson:
Now in your position, a lot of us out here, we have friends in the community and stuff. We get to sample things once in a while. Try and kick it around the block a little bit here and there. Now, in your position, you probably go to conferences or events where they are displaying stuff or people want to show you stuff. Vendors and all sorts of stuff, so you probably get a whole onslaught of different tools and accessible devices to sample.
Jesse Anderson:
We do work with quite a few of our vendors. We do have vendors who come into SSB and show the tech specialists news devices or updates to new devises, but we also do periodically have events that are opened to the public where you’ll have a vendor come by and they’ll show their devices and device demonstrations and we’ve had people come in to do that. People come in to watch that as well. We also do, if we can, we will sometimes try to get down to the CSUN conference in California. Usually it’s in March and that is kind of the premier assistive technology conference. You do have things like closing the gap in ATI, but those don’t really focus on blindness as much, I think as they used to. I’ve gone to CSUN now twice and absolutely love it. They are actually going to be in a new hotel or a new venue this year. So that’ll be interesting. I’m not going to be going to that unfortunately this year, but it’s a fantastic conference if you’re into assistive technology. If you’re a tech specialist. If you’re a user. Whatever. It is pretty fun. It’s pretty informative.
Jeff Thompson:
So Jessie, this is your day time job. What are some of your hobbies that you do? And what’s your interest in?
Jesse Anderson:
Well, I’m into a little bit of everything, but I’m definitely still a nerd. Like I said, I still do some technology stuff at home. Technology, gaming, I like music. I’m trying to teach myself the drums. Mess around with the guitar a little bit, that kind of a thing. But I do, like I said, I still do some technology and even game accessibility stuff in my spare time. For the past several years, I do run a YouTube channel called Illegally Sighted, and that’s going pretty well. And I’m really trying to advocate, like I said, everything … my day job is all about work, but there’s more to life than just work and especially video games and VR. Virtual reality, augmented reality. Those things are all becoming quite popular in the mainstream world, and blind and low-vision users would like to be included in some of that, too, and so as I’ve been doing the YouTube channel, it’s kind of turned into this … I’ve really started working more with advocating for game accessibility and I have a VR headset at home.
Jesse Anderson:
So I’ve been trying to use that as a way to like hey, approach developers. We don’t have standards yet for virtual reality officially, because everyone is still trying to figure it out. So if we can get someone in there to say, “Hey, you’re trying to figure things out. Let’s get accessibility as just one of those standards from the beginning because it’s much easier to do it from the beginning than it is to bolt it on later.” So I’ve been trying to advocate for that and as part of that, I did a presentation in fall of 2017 that’s archived on my channel. I did a presentation for #id24, Inclusive Design 24, on VR accessibility for low-vision users, and in March of this year, I was actually invited to be a presenter, part of a panel, at the third annual game accessibility conference. GACon, as it’s kind of referred to online and on Twitter. And you can go to gaconf.com and it’s a one day conference that’s held in San Francisco and I was able to get things lined up and working so I am going to be going down to that conference for the first time this year and be a panel speaker, and hopefully I’ll be able to meet some developers, and a lot of the people that I have been kind of socializing with on social media, on Twitter and things like that.
Jesse Anderson:
So I’m really looking forward to it, and hopefully it can result in just getting another voice out there and making more developers and stuff realize, hey, it may not be as difficult as you think it is, but blind people, low-vision people are a market too, and we do have money to spend and we wanna do, we wanna participate in games and such as well. So, that should be really fun to see how that goes.
Jeff Thompson:
Jessie, thank you for being an advocate for everyone, because I know a lot of people out there that want to hang onto that or have the possibilities of playing games. It’s a big market out there, and thank you for doing what you are doing.
Jesse Anderson:
Sure. No problem.
Jeff Thompson:
Great, well Jessie Anderson, I wanna thank you very much for coming on to Blind Abilities. Taking the time out here at SSB. That’s State Services for the Blind of Minnesota. Thank you very much.
Jesse Anderson:
All right. Thank you.
Jeff Thompson:
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