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JobInsightsExtra: Employment Breakouts, Aira on Employment and Zoom Zooms Ahead and a Great Tool in the Indeed App
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In this Job Insights Extra Serina Gilbert and Jeff Thompson talk about the Employment Breakout Sessions at conventions. How Airais focused on employment, education and Bringing more value to their services. Serina talks aboutIndeed, an app for smart phones and a web site that assists one during the job hunt and finding employment opportunities in the field you want.
Zoom Cloud Meetingsis becoming the go-to tool for conferenceing and meetings because it just works and Zoom has a lot to offer.
We include a small segment from our Blind Abilities podcast, “Aira Workshop on Employment, Education, and Aira as a Reasonable Accommodation,” with Michael Hingsonspeaking about Aira and how the Aira service can impact the job search, save time on the job and Aira as a Reasonable Accommodation. You can find the entire podcast on BlindAbilities.com
We also bring you a conversation with Dacia Vanalstine, employment Specialist at State Services for the Blind. Dacia presented at the NFB Employment Committee workshops and Jeff sat down and asked her about the breakout sessions.
We wanted to do this podcast to show how the conventions can be a resource for information, educational and a place that offers opportunities to meet and talk to professionals in the field.
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JobInsightsExtra: Employment Breakouts, Aira on Employment and Zoom Zooms Ahead and a Great Tool in the Indeed App
Serena Gilbert:
Cue fancy music.
Jeff Thompson:
They had breakout groups that you could go into, one was on resume building, one was on disclosure, another was upward mobility, another was on job searching.
Michael Hingson:
Aira, by any definition of the Americans With Disabilities Act is a reasonable accommodation.
Serena Gilbert:
You already know I’m like Aira jealous.
Jeff Thompson:
Zoom works pretty good, you can record on it, you can do all sorts of stuff with it, it’s just always blowing my mind a little bit.
Serena Gilbert:
You can also live stream to Facebook from Zoom and they’ll show whatever you’re showing on your Zoom screen in the Facebook Live. This podcast is not brought to you by Zoom.
Jeff Thompson:
Job Insights is a podcast that is helping you find careers and gainful employment through innovations and opportunities. You can find the Job Insights podcast on BlindAbilities.com, part of the Blind Abilities network. And as part of the Job Insights podcast, we will be bringing you the Job Insights extras, consisting of interviews, demonstrations, and news surrounding employment, careers, and jobs. With hosts Serena Gilbert, and myself, Jeff Thompson. And you can contact us by email at JobInsights@BlindAbilities.com. Leave us some feedback, or suggest some topics that we cover. On Twitter, @JobInsightsBIP.
Serena Gilbert:
I use the Indeed website all the time with my clients when we’re looking at job openings. I like it because it filters all the scams, and weird Craigslist ads and things like that, and gets right to what you’re really looking for.
Jeff Thompson:
In this Job Insights extra, we’ll be talking about Aira, and how they are enhancing the opportunities in education and employment for students and job seekers alike. We tap into a little bit about Zoom. Is it replacing Skype? It seems to have all the features to do so. Give it a try, see what you think. We touch base on an app called Indeed, which is also a website, which will help you along your job seeking journey. And we expand upon how conventions can help you in the job market, employment, and as a student, and the upcoming CSUN Convention as well.
Jeff Thompson:
So now, please join Serena Gilbert and myself, Jeff Thompson in this Job Insights extra. We hope you enjoy.
Jeff Thompson:
Well how you doing Serena?
Serena Gilbert:
I am doing great, Jeff, how are you?
Jeff Thompson:
I’m doing good, just got back and I’m settling in back home here in Minnesota.
Serena Gilbert:
You survived.
Jeff Thompson:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yep, a lot of employment stuff, and people showed up, and that’s one thing about these conventions is not only do you get experience of traveling, different types of adventure through using mobility, getting to place to place, but you meet a lot of people, and you have a lot of opportunity to focus in on the agenda. And I focused in on the employment parts of it.
Jeff Thompson:
They had breakout groups that you could go into, one was on resume building, one was on disclosure, another was upward mobility, another was on job searching. There was lots of opportunities for people to get involved. And there was even one on meeting the voc rehab panel, there was a panel of voc rehab teachers and professionals in the field, DVIs, lots of good stuff.
Serena Gilbert:
I know that there was a lot of talk about how Aira fits into everything having to do with employment, from the job search even through to completing job tasks, is that right?
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. I was in attendance at a breakout session Aira sponsored, and it was Aira and employment, and Michael Hingson was speaking, along with Patrick Lane. And they were talking about reasonable accommodations, how Aira fits that bill, the things you can do, it saves you time compared to how much it would cost for a reader for some applications, and how Aira has this program where if you are filling out a resume and getting help, and using Aira while you’re researching a job, say you’re going to an interview, and back again, all those minutes are covered by Aira. You don’t have to pay for those minutes, so they’re free.
Serena Gilbert:
That could be a nice way to help with … I know sometimes there’s applications that aren’t the most accessible, and something weird kind of happens with it, and you kind of get stuck. So that’d be nice to be able to have the Aira agent help you figure that out, especially when it’s a time sensitive employment application you’re trying to get in.
Jeff Thompson:
Exactly, and usually you’re doing that on the computer. Another thing with Aira is they have a partnership with VFO, Andrew Joyce and Jos.
Serena Gilbert:
So Jeff, I know there was an another one that I saw come through that they have just partnered with, do you remember who it was?
Jeff Thompson:
Oh yeah, more and more partnerships are being developed all the time and being announced. Just lately the 26 YMCAs in the Minneapolis area have come on board as a Aira access point, where you can use Aira services free. And some of the big news coming out is Andrew Cole from Microsoft, he’s the senior data scientist that was responsible for developing seeing AI has now joined Aira as head of the artificial intelligence and research at IRA. That’s great news, and Chloe is going to be worked on, and enhanced I’m sure. Yeah, where is this going to take us, we only know. But yeah, partnerships are being developed all the time, so stay tuned for more and more partnerships joining the Aira team and making Aira accessible and affordable to all.
Jeff Thompson:
Another area of growth is, I believe it’s six days that their state agencies, vocational rehab, are now offering Aira as a service, and even colleges, their disabilities services office is now providing the service as well.
Serena Gilbert:
That’s very nice to hear, I mean, I know it’ll take a little while for the word to get out to the bureaucracy that it is. But I think it’s great that that’s something that people are considering to help with more accessibility for their clients.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. Well, when you think about reasonable accommodation, what is it? Offering a free zone for your company, say you’re a voc rehab, or a state agency for the blind and you have five or six people who could benefit from IRA, and if they do have it, why not allow those minutes to be free? I don’t know, it’s something interesting. I know San Francisco Lighthouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired is considering making their area a free zone as well. So like you said, it’s catching on, I think it’s becoming more of a household name in the blindness community. It used to be kind of a idea, or people didn’t know it was really out there and working, but I believe they’re growing. I would have to say they’ve got to be up to at least 2,000 some users now, especially now that they’re worldwide. And even Minnesota.
Serena Gilbert:
That’s a whole nother country there.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. But that puts it more on the clock. So you can turn around and actually have service around the clock.
Serena Gilbert:
And even before they went international I feel like they had pretty accessible hours, because I believe it was like 5:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Pacific time, or something like that, that’s pretty good.
Jeff Thompson:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). So now it’s pretty much 24/7 and from what I reckoned, when we were … reckoned, when did I ever use that word?
Serena Gilbert:
Yeah, who did you hang out with from the south there for a little while?
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah, there was people from all over the … every walk of life is there. The blindness doesn’t pull you all together, it’s just normal people and we just have a common thing of visual challenges.
Serena Gilbert:
And that was in a free zone too, because I know they made Orlando and … did they call it an Aira access point or something like that, where it was free for everyone?
Jeff Thompson:
Exactly. And we’re the guest too because if you are down there with the iPhone, you could just download the app, sign up and you could get yourself an agent and use it just like you had it. Just like you were part of it, you were an explorer now, but you’re a guest. I heard a lot of people really satisfied and excited about it.
Serena Gilbert:
I think that’s really cool. I mean, you already know I’m like Aira jealous, and I’m just waiting for that price to come down a little bit for me-
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah.
Serena Gilbert:
Before I take that plunge. But I mean, it just sounds really cool. No surprise here, Jeff, so what I most want to do with is go shopping one day.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. Well, to tell you the truth, I was in an Aira session, and Michael Hingson had a few words to say, so let’s segue right into that right now.
Michael Hingson:
Aira, if you look at Aira in the general terms of what it is, Aira is an information source. Aira is a way that you can get any visual information that you otherwise would not have access to. When I talk to a lot of people about Aira, they think about the fact that oh, well, I really have good travel skills, so I don’t need it. Or I’ve always got sighted people with me, so I don’t have that problem. Let’s deal with that in terms of a job. I’m on the job, I’m using JAWS, and suddenly the computer quits working. Now where do I go to get my sighted assistance? I’m in the office, I’ve got to go interrupt somebody else to get them to come and look at the screen, tell me what the error screen is, or of course the infamous blue screen of death.
Michael Hingson:
In any case, I have to go find someone. Why should I have to do that today? Because there is a way to do that on my own, namely using Aira. I can use Aira to contact an agent, the agent can look at the screen, see an error code, and if I can’t easily move my cursor to where it needs to go, it’s possible that I can even enter into a tandem or two way session using Team Voyeur or some other team technology with the agent. That might be a little harder with JAWS not talking, but for a lot of different things that I do where this is an inaccessible webpage, or something that isn’t talking the way it should, I can interact with an agent and get their assistance, both in terms of actually having a session, a two way communication session, or at least getting information described.
Michael Hingson:
If I am an employee and I want to go to lunch, let’s say I’m in sales and I want to take people somewhere for lunch for sales, I can more quickly use an Aira agent to research possible restaurants if I don’t really know all the options, or when I get to the restaurant, or going to the restaurant using an agent’s help to do all of that.
Michael Hingson:
Aira gives me the opportunity to get anything that I need that I don’t otherwise have access to because it’s visual. It is that simple, it is that general, and I urge people to look at Aira in that way. Don’t limit yourself to looking at it as a travel device. Don’t look at it as something that’s going to diminish your skills, don’t look at it as something that is anything other than what it is, an information source. And all of us, no matter how good our cane skills are, no matter how good our dog skills are, can benefit by having access to Aira, because Aira is the way that I can get more information to better tell my dog where I want to go, or interact with traveling with my cane.
Michael Hingson:
So you go off and you graduate, and then you go looking for a job. The first thing you should be aware of if you happen to be an Aira explorer is that we have an Aira access network for jobs, a job access network, whatever you want to call it, that will stick it in your memory. If you are doing anything relating to getting a job at all, whether it’s writing a resume, writing a cover letter, making sure everything is formatted, getting dressed to go to a job interview, ladies putting on makeup, anything at all related to getting a job, that time is automatically free to you. So for any Aira explorer doing anything relating to getting a job is free.
Michael Hingson:
We are saying at Aira we want to take that unemployment from 70% unemployment rate among blind people down to 7%, which would be cool. And Aira is trying to help to make that happen by making it possible for you as an explorer to have access to the tools at no additional charge to get that job.
Michael Hingson:
What does it mean though as far as getting a job, and where does Aira fit into that? The way Aira fits in is really pretty simple. Aira, by any definition of the Americans With Disabilities Act is a reasonable accomodation. It is something that should be usable and used by you on the job. I can take almost any job that you can imagine and find a way Aira can help. Because again, remember what Aira is, an information source. It provides you with what information you need.
Jeff Thompson:
And this was just a snippet taken from the full podcast that we produced over on Blind Abilities. Be sure to check it out and see how Aira enhances the opportunities in employment, education, and as a student. There’s a link in the shown notes, be sure to check it out.
Jeff Thompson:
So with Aira, it’s getting more and more, like we said, a household name, more voc rehabs are aware of it, more counselors are aware of it, so who knows what it’ll be tomorrow because they are ever changing. My wife Laurie just received the Horizon glasses, which puts the lens right in the center and gives you more of a fisheye look, so the agent can actually see more and do more. They have a Samsung device that is actually a phone, but it’s locked for only Aira to use. So you turn that on and there’s wire that goes up to the glasses, and now you don’t have any connectivity between the Bluetooth for your phone to the wifi. You have three connections that all had to be in sync, and now it’s just one wire, one phone, and I believe it’s up to a seven and nine hour battery life.
Serena Gilbert:
Oh wow, that’s pretty good. And I’ve heard they’re pretty stylish now too. Because I guess the previous ones were like glasses with no lenses.
Jeff Thompson:
And some of these people are getting them with the tinted glass, so …
Serena Gilbert:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jeff Thompson:
It seems all right. You know, it’s Clark Kent-esque.
Serena Gilbert:
Oh.
Jeff Thompson:
Well face it, you do have a charge going to it, you do have batteries going to them, they do have a camera mounted in them, so you’re not able to just have wire rims and aviator glasses so … Laurie told me that they don’t fall, they don’t move once they’re on, so they’re real stable. That means a lot. When actually the agent wants you to look at something that you can just turn and you don’t have to look like a bobble head in the back of a car.
Jeff Thompson:
They probably did a lot of research on this, Greg Stillson who was the product developer there, part of the team, did a great job on the Horizon. Good things on the horizon they say.
Serena Gilbert:
So did she get hers at the conference or did they mail them to her?
Jeff Thompson:
Before the convention happened they sent out notice that said if you were attending they would then bring the glasses there, and so when she was there she was on the list, and she received them.
Serena Gilbert:
Oh, that’s awesome.
Jeff Thompson:
So she went up the room, put it on the charger, and later on tried them on and they seem to work really well for her, and she likes the idea that you don’t have to use your phone to do it. It’s kind of interesting because the wire plugs into the back end of the glasses, so the wire comes down your … you know, it doesn’t hang down your cheek, it goes-
Serena Gilbert:
So it’s out of the way.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah, it goes down behind your ear, and then down your shoulder. When she was using them I didn’t even really recognize the … well, my blindness helps there, I suppose. But yeah, people were excited about them.
Jeff Thompson:
You know Serena, we’re talking about jobs and everything like that, one thing I noticed was kind of a common denominator, I would say three out of 10 people mentioned it while I was down there, the app and I believe there’s a software product for computers, Indeed. Have you ever used that?
Serena Gilbert:
Yep, I use the Indeed website all the time with my clients when we’re looking at job openings.
Jeff Thompson:
And you use that on the PC?
Serena Gilbert:
Correct.
Jeff Thompson:
How do you like it?
Serena Gilbert:
It used to be more accessible, it used to be when you typed in the job search and everything and you picked a job you wanted to look at, it would open up in a new window. And now it still opens, but it opens up at the bottom of the page. And unless you go adventure and look for it at the bottom of the page, you never would know. So it’s still accessible, it’s just different now. But I like it because it filters out all of the scams, and weird Craigslist ads and things like that, and gets right to what you’re really looking for. You can also set up an alert where it’ll send you every day jobs that matched what you’re looking for, so you can be one of the first to see them and apply for them.
Jeff Thompson:
Well that’s great because I got a new iPad and I noticed that there’s a new upgrade to the Indeed app, so I’m going to try it out on the iPad, and I’m going to try it out on my iPhone because it updated there.
Serena Gilbert:
No, I do use it on my phone though, it is very accessible on the phone. But I wouldn’t recommend applying for a job from your phone.
Jeff Thompson:
Or setting up a Zoom meeting. We use Zoom on here and it’s a very good app, and while I was at the convention, and in the pool I ran into a gentleman, not physically, but we were chit chatting, he was part of a … I believe it was South Carolina Voc Rehab for the Deaf/Blind, and they had switched to Zoom and he said that because I have the pro that I can actually switch my identification number, you know, when you set up a meeting it gives you an identification number, you can actually change that if you want. You could change it to, I don’t know, Volkswagen, or Lovebug, or … you could change it to Red Pony, anything you wanted to change it to, and that would be your meeting link.
Serena Gilbert:
I think it has to be a series of numbers still for the meeting ID, but you can customize it to be something that people would remember easier.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah, so it’s really interesting, a lot of people are using it, they have a business package that they have. And he says that if you had like 15, 20 people in a meeting, he said you can break out into four groups and five people go into each group, and then you can bring them all back again.
Serena Gilbert:
Yeah, you can do that, I believe it’s in the webinar setting on it. That one’s like $40.00 a month or something, to have the webinar piece. But you can also live stream to Facebook from Zoom if you have the webinar piece added on to the account.
Jeff Thompson:
Oh really?
Serena Gilbert:
And it’ll show whatever you’re showing on your Zoom screen in the Facebook Live.
Jeff Thompson:
It’s just really impressive to me what Zoom is doing when you’ve had other companies sitting back on their laurels, let’s take Skype for example, it was Skype for many, many years. That’s all it was. That’s all we used it for, and some others have come and gone, but Zoom seemed to come in all ready and prepared, because it just seems like it keeps growing. Or I keep on finding out more and more of what you can do with it. So people out there are looking for a conference type of, I don’t know, walkie talkie communication here that we’re using, Zoom works pretty good. You can record on it, you can do all sorts of stuff with it, it’s just always blowing my mind a little bit.
Serena Gilbert:
This podcast is not brought to you by Zoom.
Jeff Thompson:
But you do like it, right?
Serena Gilbert:
Oh I love Zoom. I hate Skype, it’s a pain to use. Zoom just works. That’s really just … it’s kind of like Apple, it just works. Except it really does just work.
Jeff Thompson:
Really, really works. Except for when we did it today, when we were trying to connect up. I sent a request-
Serena Gilbert:
I am convinced you sent me a different link.
Jeff Thompson:
Well, I set it up on the phone and I sent it out, it says, “send request”, and so I sent it out, and then I came into my computer, started it up, and I saw the meeting was there so I went into the room, and she went into a room, but we were in different rooms. And for some reason, my phone must be set up for … what did you say, private room?
Serena Gilbert:
Yeah, well so when you have a Zoom account you get a personal meeting ID that is the exact same meeting ID every time you send someone that link. And that’s the link that you sent me, was the personal meeting ID. I was like I feel special.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. So then I sent another link from my computer and then we got all connected up, so other than that …
Serena Gilbert:
Jeff’s still on conference time.
Jeff Thompson:
It is. If people ever get a chance to check out one of the conventions, next year it’s in Las Vegas, the NFB, National Federation of the Blind Convention will be in Las Vegas, and I believe it runs from July 7th to July 12th, and ACB will be in Rochester, New York. I believe that will be before that, I don’t think they’re going to be running overlapping, I think they’ll probably be going from … my guess will be from the 1st to the 9th or something. I know ACB is a little bit longer, but they have a lot more fun activities, lots of walks, lots of, I don’t know, boat rides and all sorts of stuff outside the area, a lot of busing around to do things, but they seem to make it a really social type of atmosphere at those.
Jeff Thompson:
And the NFB is I would say mostly locked into a lot of business and a lot of opportunities to get together with people.
Serena Gilbert:
And CSUN is in February.
Jeff Thompson:
End of February, that’s right. And this time, it’s moving to Anaheim, California.
Serena Gilbert:
And for those who don’t know what CSUN is, it stands for California State University Northridge. From what my understanding is, is it’s the biggest assistive technology conference for bling and low vision, at least in the North America, maybe even the world. And very large names come into that, that’s where a lot of new technology is introduced and talked about that’s related to blind and low vision. It’s kind of like a person like my like biggest dream, because I’m just a tech nerd. I’ve been trying to go there for years, but it never works out. But I think it might work out this year, hint, hint.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah, I’m really excited about it because I haven’t ever gone to one of those, and you hear about it, and you hear a lot about the tech stuff, that’s really what it is. But there’s also a lot of breakout rooms, like Microsoft might have three different sessions that they’re talking about, Google would be there with sessions that you can go into and they’ll talk about their accessibility and the development that they’re doing with the Chromebook and what is the … don’t they have Voice Box or something like that?
Serena Gilbert:
Chromebox.
Jeff Thompson:
Chromevox.
Serena Gilbert:
Chrome … yeah, it’s like their built in screen reader for their Chromebooks.
Jeff Thompson:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And I was talking to them and they wanted to give me a demonstration, but I had to move over to the Amazon because I got an interview with none other than Peter Korn. Amazon’s Peter Korn. And there’s one thing that I really want to make a point of at conventions, the things that are changing at conventions when you go into the exhibit halls, it used to be where’s the JAWS? Where are they? Where’s Hinter Joyce now it’s VFO, where’s Humanware, all these different places that we would flock to. Now you walk in, front and center you’ve got Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Aira, they’ve taken over the front of the convention hall. Kind of reminds me of Walmart coming into a small town, Walmart comes in and a lot of the small mom and pop shops disappear.
Jeff Thompson:
Well, it’s not really happening like that to effect, but look how many timers are being sold by Maxi Aids when you can use your Amazon device, your Google device, your Siri, what time is it? Set timer. So a lot of the gidgets and gadgets have gone to the wayside, a lot of these devices, we’re changing and it’s starting to show in the convention. How many times has Microsoft ever showed up to an NFB convention? Two? Google, once? Now we Amazon, twice. Where’s it going to be in five years? HIMS didn’t even show up.
Serena Gilbert:
Oh wow.
Jeff Thompson:
So I think we’re in for a change, more of the mainstream companies are starting to take over the products, making things accessible and that’s what we want. So seeing these big companies come in and things might be more mainstream. They send in their people who are involved with the accessibility at the company, Peter Korn, he was an accessibility director, all the way back to Kindle his department went. So it was really neat to see them all there in full force, all about accessibility.
Serena Gilbert:
That’s great. Sounds like you had fun.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. Oh yeah. And I even went to convention. No, it was a lot of fun.
Serena Gilbert:
I even attended some breakout sessions.
Jeff Thompson:
It’s really neat to meet people because that’s what it is about networking, you know. You really get an opportunity to meet some interesting people with very like mindedness, people who have overcome the struggles and the challenges ahead of you with blindness as you go through your journey, so a lot of success stories there, and I captured a few of them that you’ll be listening to, some job extras. Hey, if we were in the Tupperware, we’d be a Tupperware party, right?
Serena Gilbert:
Yes.
Jeff Thompson:
But it’s always nice to get back home, you know, after you go to the convention, it’s nice to get back home. You get too much of the different foods, different people, different stuff, and all the congestion, it’s 2500 canes and dogs, elevators and all that. It’s almost like you need more noise, heck, let’s bring it to Vegas, that’ll be a lot better. And then you have gambling machines going ding, ding, ding. To me it almost gets to a point of aggravation in Vegas. So I don’t know, I imagine it’ll be quite a trip.
Serena Gilbert:
Oh gosh, that could be stimulation overload, like, man …
Jeff Thompson:
Oh yeah, when you’re actually just trying to figure out where you’re going and your cane-
Serena Gilbert:
Yeah.
Jeff Thompson:
Tapping, how you use all the sounds to identify things and all you need is two people to win the jackpot and you get lost, like it’s crazy.
Serena Gilbert:
Yeah. And that casino … well, none of the casinos are really very well lit. For low vision.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah, it’s really interesting to meet all sorts of different people. Well it’s all over for this year, now we get to wait for the next one, and like you said, it’s CSUN isn’t it? CSUN 2019.
Serena Gilbert:
If I have my luck at a yes.
Jeff Thompson:
There you go. The thing about CSUN, I would in advance try and find a place there because the hotels are pretty expensive, and Anaheim I don’t think is any cheaper.
Serena Gilbert:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jeff Thompson:
Usually when I go to a convention, on January 1st is when I do the stuff for the summer ones, so when you’re talking CSUN, when you find out exactly which hotel it is, I would start looking probably around Thanksgiving time, start looking for those hotel rooms, because they fill up fast and then they go to an overflow, and overflow is not as much fun.
Serena Gilbert:
Yeah, that’s not where the party’s at.
Jeff Thompson:
But yeah, CSUN, Anaheim, I think I’ll be there. You?
Serena Gilbert:
I don’t know Jeff, will I?
Jeff Thompson:
We’ll have to see.
Serena Gilbert:
To be continued.
Jeff Thompson:
Yeah. So stay tuned folks for more podcasts from Job Insights, my name’s
Jeff Thompson and you can find me at KnownAsJeff on Twitter.
Serena Gilbert:
And I’m Serena Gilbert, you can find me at BlindyBlog, that’s @ B-L-I-N-D-Y, B-L-O-G. Cue fancy music.
Jeff Thompson:
I’m going to leave that. Thank you for listening to this Job Insights extra. And be sure to check out all the Job Insights podcasts on BlindAbilities.com. Big thank you to Cheechau for your beautiful music. And that’s Lcheechau on Twitter.
Jeff Thompson:
Once again, thanks for listening. We hope you enjoyed. And until next time, bye bye.
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